I went with a gear drive cam in my 2006. Just had bike painted & put it back together, looks like a Street Glide &electraglide mix. Generally when they go they break up and get sucked up into the oil pump. Other's had problems at unexpected times. I ride pretty hard. That’s a tough question to answer because of personal preferences. Harley Davidson Twin Cam Engine Problems. Ultra Classic. How can I fix it? Was told fuel injection needs to be tuned to accept the gear drive set up. Harley says that the high-flow oil pump provides increased oil pressure at high-operating temperatures. To put it simply, would you pass on a gorgeous low mileage 2002 Fat Boy because of this issue, or try to dicker down the price based on this info? We ride a ton and those issues are long gone from Harley. More specifically I went with the S&S 510 gear drive. Completing the CAPTCHA proves you are a human and gives you temporary access to the web property. Looking at an 06 Ultra classic do they still have the same problem? He’s always had a bike and used to work on his own but just couldn’t do it anymore. It was not noisy and the 510 cam produced awesome power with the stock 88ci motor. Of course the upgraded kit was like $400 in parts and $400 to install. If you would like to get a quote on a new 2006 Harley-Davidson Electra Glide® Ultra Classic use our Build Your Own tool, or Compare this bike to other Touring motorcycles.To view more specifications, visit our … Cloudflare Ray ID: 5f997ee24a0ce9b3 I don’t want to miss something. This means the pinion shaft is wobbling wildly right out of the factory creating damaging vibrations to the valve train bearings, etc. Frankly speaking, this is the reason why Harley gets so much vitriol these days from the sportbike and metric cruiser crowd. Complete Gear Drive Kit Picture (installed), Harley cam chain tensioner (twin cam)(backside). In order to run the valve train Harley went to a cam chain tensioner set up utilizing a spring loaded shoe putting pressure on the cam chain with push rods. I am 76 years old do about 4000 miles a year on the bikes or will the bikes outlive me and save me money. I ride moderately but not too gentle. I have just found out about this problem & am very worried. But, at the end of the day that is just going the extra mile. This eliminates the cam chains entirely and actually produces a little more horsepower by make the valve timing more accurate. I promise you, you won’t regret updating your cam chain tensioners. It really is simple to complete after watching you guys tackle it on the video. On highways always 75 to 85 mph. I have read about a potential problem with the plastic shoes associated with the cam chains. If your spring followers fail it WILL destroy your engine. The only way to check the status of your cam chain followers is to dig in and inspect them. Podcast episode #73. This HD kit does not change it to a gear driven system & you don’t get upgraded cams. A 2000 E Glide w/ 88” and a 2014 Limited with a 103”. Your email address will not be published. Thanks for the effort invested in informing and protecting us small folks out here….the vulnerable and often blind consumers who are chasing the American Dream…. // ]]>. I’m not saying it’s impossible to do BMW stuff yourself BUT it may be foolish if you are a numbskull. You know tearing down an older engine usually means rebuilding it completely… whaddaya think? And the outer tensioner showed little wear. There is much more information contained the audio podcast too. I am new to Harley's, I've had a few older metrics and always have had dirt bikes, and the service video was great inspiration in completing the service. No, does it work? Randy Barger. Additionally, riders likely will not hear anything going wrong. This can shut the bike down. Go with gears. BMW is very high-tolerance design! I have a 2000 police roadking. The chain tensioning system in these motors uses plastic “shoes” riding on the cam chains that wear out. I went through it on my 04 electraglide. I have 2 Harleys 1 a 2001 standard softail (carb) with 2900 miles on it .. Bike number 2 a 2004 Springer with 18000 miles on it. I have the 2004 Harley-davidson electraglide Classic FLHTCI. All rights reserved. If you have any more questions let me know, I researched the various cams, cam timing and cam lift as well as gear vs chain drive. Teehee! Do you have any info on this issue? Is it rght that I have the hydraulic chain tensioner? Option 1 and 2 is out of pocket for the owner. I inspected the tensioners and they appear near perfect. And help support us at the same time? What is happening on the affected years? I have 2007 road King custom,110k miles cam chain tensioner they have a small Grove in the shoes but how long will they last. So if you have a 2006, keep an eye out. Service department told me about this plastic shoe issue with the cam on the 2006. MC-1 Honor Run (Motorcycle Run) Announced: Extract Remove Harley Primary Cover Stripped Bolt, https://www.lawabidingbiker.com/freevideos, https://www.lawabidingbiker.com/buyvideos, http:///www.LawAbidingBiker.com/EmailClub. They even found little yellow pieces in my oil. The problem is that many are experiencing failures at many different mileages, so it is hard to predict. Any advice will be helpful. *You can really help out for less than the cost of one coffee per month. Even the new hydraulic system still has chain tension shoes that will eventually wear out and if you don’t catch it in time, the shoes can disintegrate just like the old spring-tension system and cause the cam chain to slap against metal causing total engine failure, usually by clogging the oil pump with metal chips. I have the 103 in my 2014 Street Glide. Think I might let this one slide. However, you still need to know and be aware of what exactly are you buying so there would be no surprise expenses once you start driving the motorcycle. I thought, why would I replace a faulty product with new faulty products. Couldn’t get it into the he hd shop til the 28th so my old man looked at it but it isn’t nothing like his 89 Springer and he doesn’t want to mess with it. or did you just do it as preventative. A lot of money spent on a motor with no performance gain. I’m curious, am I just lucky , or was your bike modified and driven hard. I would always suggest an intake, pipes, and a fuel management system. [CDATA[ I had not heard of any major engine problems as a result but you would need a new oil pump and new cam shoes. I would have no issue, and did not have any issue with a gear drive set up in my 2006 Ultra Classic and will do gear drives in my 2013 Limited probably next fall. Is the cam shoe problem still there with the 2009 and newer bikes, yes, but not to the great extent it was before. Your IP: what should I look out for on it. Where at least the chain route will give, and cause LESS damage if it goes?? They can walk you through all the parts you’ll need. Unless you are drag racing the runnout can be more than .003. Riding clears the mind. Either way sounds like it’s a crap shoot. Yes, but you will have a noisy valve train due to the excessive lash between the crank and cam gear. Great call on going with gear drive, I also went with 509g instead of 510g because the 509g provides better low end/mid with same top, but either choice is is better than anything else. Indeed the cam chain shoes would wear out partly because of the shoe and partly because of the chain. We reveal that and much more on this issue. I knew early on about the bearing issue for the TC88, and I was told my bike was not effected. ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING. There’s a reason you take BMW to the dealership. Recent 2006 Harley Davidson FLHTCI Electra Glide Classic questions, problems & answers. Plus phone messages….hard for us to keep up. However, I was NOT aware of this issue until this year when I did some maintenance on the bike, and a fellow co-worker told me about it. I’d point out that if using gear drive you do not need high volume pump and the high volume pump may cause increased oil from the rocker box breathers. And two, if there ever is an issue with the gears not correctly meshing, it would cause more damage to the crankshaft/flywheel etc. All, you can run gear drive over the magical 0.003″ that everyone uses as the drop dead measurement. If you are on a personal connection, like at home, you can run an anti-virus scan on your device to make sure it is not infected with malware. THE MOTORCYCLE HAS 8,2XX MILES. There are companies making aftermarket kits for this and without labor they cost around $750. I have a 2004 Classic. Still blowing oil to beat hell. Also consider your riding style. The best thing is that you will get upgraded cams on top of the rest of the upgrade kit, thus more performance. Solid bike and motor……..Run the piss out of it Ed and put your mind at ease. It’ll keep making you smile for a long time to come. My dad was 77 years old. Could the broken tensioners have got into the oil channels and blocked them. You can listen on iTunes (Apple/IOS), Stitcher Radio (Android), or any other Podcast App ==> https://www.lawabidingbiker.com/podcast.